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	== Specialists ==		== Specialists ==
	How to play specialists: [[How to play Horseman\|Horseman]] - [[How to play Mages\|Mages]] - [[How to play Skirmishers\|Skirmishers]]		How to play specialists: [[How to play Horseman\|Horseman]] - [[How to play Mages\|Mages]] - [[How to play Skirmishers\|Skirmishers]]
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 * '''Scout:''' Use them to grab villages and quickly move through difficult terrain. Dune riders are very similar and will try to do the same.
-==See also==
+== Specialists ==
-[[How to play Mages]]
+How to play specialists: [[How to play Horseman|Horseman]] - [[How to play Mages|Mages]] - [[How to play Skirmishers|Skirmishers]]

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	==Rebels vs Khalifate==		==Rebels vs Khalifate==
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		+	'''Note:''' The "khalifate" faction was renamed "Dunefolk" in 1.14. Furthermore, the same faction kept the name but was ''completely rebalanced'' in 1.15/1.16, so some of below may no longer be applicable (even after accounting for the unit renames in 1.14).

	Fighting these guys is tricky, but your old tricks are useful once more. Generally, your main problem will be the Khalifate’s HP—as usual, they have more of it than you, and the Arif in particular is a hard nut to crack. Khalifate also love hills; as when fighting dwarves, keep an eye out on opportunistic hill-grabs.		Fighting these guys is tricky, but your old tricks are useful once more. Generally, your main problem will be the Khalifate’s HP—as usual, they have more of it than you, and the Arif in particular is a hard nut to crack. Khalifate also love hills; as when fighting dwarves, keep an eye out on opportunistic hill-grabs.

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 Your main problem when fighting loyalists is their spearmen. Relatively cheap, relatively tough, solid damage dealers (with a ranged attack and a special ability to boot) spearmen are difficult to defeat without woses. But with woses, the battle changes: it will be the loyalist opponent who will need to find ways to defeat the woses’ massive pierce resistance, high HP, damage and regeneration. Therefore, your tactics will be centred around the wose; your other units will provide the necessary mobility, village holding, and special extras to make up for the woses’ disadvantages. If it’s not already obvious: the wose is slow, and has abysmal defence on villages.
-Your enemy will spam a mix of cavalry and mages to deal with your woses, and spearmen (along with horsemen) against your other units. You may also see some heavy infrantry or fencers thrown in. Your prime target will be horsemen, as they are expensive, vulnerable to archers, but extremely dangerous to all of your units (barring the wose). Fighting at night is obviously a good idea, and that’s when you should attack hardest; but at day you should play neither defensively nor offensively, instead making use of forest and slow to survive the loyalist onslaught, and keeping the pressure on your opponent.
+Your enemy will spam a mix of cavalry and mages to deal with your woses, and spearmen (along with horsemen) against your other units. You may also see some heavy infrantry or fencers thrown in. Your prime target will be horsemen, as they are expensive, vulnerable to archers, but extremely dangerous to all of your units (barring the wose of course). Fighting at night is obviously a good idea; at day you should play neither defensively nor offensively, instead making use of forest and slow to survive the loyalist onslaught, and keeping the pressure on your opponent. Remember that your woses are also lawful, and will easily slaughter spearmen/bowmen/HI in the absence of mages and cavalry. The latter can easily be killed by your neutral elves, even at day.
 '''Fighter:''' Solid unit for the money, with a pretty good melee attack—a strong one will do the same damage as a strong spearman—and a pretty decent ranged attack as well. Your opponent will attempt to beat them with two strategies: either rush at you with spearmen and cavalry, at day, in order to overwhelm your fragile units with sheer force; or they may go down the heavy infantry route. Either strategy will succeed, so you will need other units to counter it. The best use you will generally have for fighters will be to hold villages and attack enemy ranged units (primarily mages).
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 <br> Rating:'''B+'''
-'''Mage:''' Not that effective in this match-up. Mages are useful for attacking heavy infantry (although woses and shamans are perfectly capable of doing that) and have magic. But they are more fragile than the archer, especially on forest; they are more expensive; and they don’t do as much damage against the mounted units. Recruit maybe one, no more.
+'''Mage:''' Not that effective in this match-up. Mages are useful for attacking heavy infantry (although woses and shamans are perfectly capable of doing that) and have magic. But the archer remains a much better choice: the mage is significantly slower, its attacks aren’t as effective against cavalry, and of course it is both more expensive and more fragile than the elf. Recruit maybe one, no more.
 <br> Rating:'''C+'''

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 '''Elvish Scout:''' This unit is usually quite crummy, and while its attacks remain rather weak, they serve some very important uses in this matchup. Their extreme mobility often allows them to attack from a fourth hex; this can make the difference between a dead orc and a live one. They are fast enough to grab mountains and deny it from your enemy. They are reasonably effective against enemy wolves, and will harrass most Northerner units with their bow. Still not as good a buy as your other units, but don’t dismiss him either. <br>
-''Rating:'' B+
+''Rating:'' B
 '''Mage:''' The mage is invaluable for their ability to kill trolls and assassins; grunts and wolves also make great targets. It is often preferable to kill an assassin even if your mage gets poisoned: you can keep the poison from damaging them by placing a shaman next to them, and their ranged attacks will allow them to wound (and kill) even with 1HP. The downside to this unit is that’s very vulnerable—at night it needs to be carefully protected, or even just kept out of the way behind your lines. <br>

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 Priority levelups continue to be Druids and Captains. Healing and Leadership greatly enhance the Elves' capabilities; the captain essentially negates the Dwarves' armor. The Knalgans don't have access to these abilities, so they will provide a large advantage.
-'''Shaman:''' Shamans, as always, are very useful for their healing and their slowing abilities. They remain fragile, however—this is especially true against dwarvish thunderers, which can take an injured shaman down in one hit, and also ulfserkers, which can melee them to death. You should try and slow gryphons and fighters; thunderers deal massive counterattacks and guardsmen are too weak to bother with.
+'''Shaman:''' Shamans, as always, are very useful for their healing and their slowing abilities. Gryphons and fighters are the best targets for their slow; whereas guardsmen are much weaker, and you don’t want to risk slowing a thunderer. A slowed ulf is a free kill, but beware that if the shaman fails to hit, she will be vulnerable to counterattack.
 <br> Rating:'''A'''
-'''Mage:''' Very useful for finishing off dwarves on good terrain, also effective against gryphons and outlaws. The downsides are fragility and cost. And ulfs, of course.
+'''Mage:''' Very useful for finishing off dwarves on good terrain, also effective against gryphons and outlaws. However, beware of ulfs.
 <br> Rating:'''A'''

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 '''Shaman:''' Slow and heal are even more powerful than usual, while some Khalifate units are weak to impact. Provided that there are no Arif nearby, this unit also survives well on forest. Get some. But remember: you’ll need to do a lot more damage than what these girls can do, if you want to win that is. <br> ''Rating: B+''
-'''Archer:''' Their high mobility is very useful for grabbing those important forest (and hill) hexes; their ranged attacks are useful against Arif and Hakim, while the Khalifate mounted units are weak to pierce. A good unit. Beware of attacking Jundi and Rami at dawn/dusk though—conversely, they’ll struggle getting you off forest with those. <br> ''Rating: A-''
+'''Archer:''' Their high mobility is very useful for grabbing those important forest (and hill) hexes; their ranged attacks are useful against Arif and Hakim, while the Khalifate mounted units are weak to pierce. A good unit. Beware of attacking Jundi and Rami at dawn/dusk though—conversely, they’ll struggle getting you off forest with those. <br> ''Rating: A''
-'''Fighter:''' They’re useful against Rami and Jundi, and can be used to attack Arif and Naffat at night. They’re also cheaper than Khalif units, which can get you a useful numerical advantage. Still: their lesser mobility is a downside here, and the Khalifate has better resistance against blade than pierce. <br>''Rating: B.''
+'''Fighter:''' They’re useful against Rami and Jundi, and can be used to attack Arif and Naffat at night. They’re also cheaper than Khalif units, which can get you a useful numerical advantage. Still: their lesser mobility is a downside here, and the Khalifate has better resistance against blade than pierce. <br>''Rating: B+.''
-'''Mage:''' Useful for knocking Khalif off hills with their magic, and can provide some daytime damage. Still, the Khalif’s profileration of ranged attacks makes this already fragile unit dubious. <br> ''Rating: B-''
+'''Mage:''' Their magical ranged attacks are very useful against arif and hakim, but this unit is fragile and vulnerable to counterattack. They serve a very useful function, but don’t go overboard with them. <br> ''Rating: B+''
 '''Wose:''' These guys are devastating against Rami, and also against Jundi and Hakim. At day they will crush them (literally). Slowed Arif are prime targets for their impact attacks, but don’t risk it otherwise. Woses, sadly, lack for blade resistance—but Arif will hesitate at the 14-2 counter attack. The only real danger to this unit is the Naffat. Try and kill those. <br> ''Rating: A-''

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 ''Rating: C+''
- '''Merman Hunter:''' Not a bad unit. His throwing spears will harass the enemy’s numerous melee units—sometimes this will even be enough to let one of your land units make the kill, particularly if your merman is the 4th hex attacker. He has two downsides: he fights terribly on land, and his attacks are quite weak. That’s why you should give XP to your landlubbers; it’s much more useful to have a Druid, Captain, Marksman, etc. over a unit that’s only good on water. Beware of assassins’ poison, and float the hunter next to a shaman if he does get poisoned. <br>
+'''Merman Hunter:''' Not a bad unit. His throwing spears will harass the enemy’s numerous melee units—sometimes this will even be enough to let one of your land units make the kill, particularly if your merman is the 4th hex attacker. He has two downsides: he fights terribly on land, and his attacks are quite weak. That’s why you should give XP to your landlubbers; it’s much more useful to have a Druid, Captain, Marksman, etc. over a unit that’s only good on water. Beware of assassins’ poison, and float the hunter next to a shaman if he does get poisoned. <br>
 ''Rating: B''

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 ==Rebels vs Northerners==
-Generally, your biggest worry will be grunts and assassins. Assassins have poison; it's the only way northeners can effectively move you out of your forest (without taking lots of retaliation). To combat this, make sure you recruit shamans and keep them behind your front-line units to avoid taking damage from poison. Grunts do a fair bit of damage at night- so try to keep fragile units in defensible terrain.
+The Northerner units are your antithesis: tough instead of weak, melee orientated instead of range orientated, and fast where you are slow; slow where you are fast. When fighting them, you need to be aware of their ability to outmaneouvre you on hills and mountains—but conversely, they will struggle to reach forested hexes. Your strategy will require careful use of leadership and unit traits: without them you will not be able to do sufficient damage to kill an orc or troll outright. A strong/dextrous archer/fighter will do 20% more damage over base, and this rises further with leadership. Since grunts have 38 base HP, the extra damage will often mean the difference between a dead grunt and a still-dangerous grunt (to your shamans, mages and archers).
-'''Wose:''' This unit is less effective against northeners. They have no resistances to the largely blade-using northeners, and are weak to the archer's fire attack. They're also very expensive. Still, they're good at counter-attacking trolls and grunts and even wolves. They are your toughest unit though, and are good in making a roadblock. Beware they're slow.
+The Northerner units have two special abilities you will need to counter: poison and regeneration. You need to recruit shamans and keep them behind your front lines—that way the assassins’ poison won’t activate. Since poisoned units lose 8HP per turn, while shamans heal only +4HP per turn, this is a good trade-off. As for trolls, the trick is to take out their supporting units first, and then focus your attacks on them en masse.
-'''Mage:''' These guys & girls are your daytime-hitters. They do great damage and what's more they're magical. Very useful at knocking trolls of their perches, but can also kill any annoying grunts of wolves that get in your way. Finally, they can be used to finish of those pesky assassins. Still, fragile and expensive, so keep them protected.
+'''Elvish Fighter:''' A staple unit. Their blades will kill orcish archers and assassins, and defend against grunts, wolves and trolls. They are the most cost effective unit in your arsenal; this is important when fighting Northeners, as their units are very economical. <br>
-<br> Rating:'''B+'''
+''Rating: A''
-'''Scout:''' As their name implies, they are your scouts. Beat wolves one on one, but don't recruit too many of these. They are amazingly mobile though, and are good at harassing most northener units.
+'''Elvish Archer:''' Another staple unit. Their arrows will kill any Northerner foe that’s not an assassin or an archer. They are fast; they are hard to take off forest. The only real downside is their low HP, which make them vulnerable outside of good terrain. <br>
-<br> Rating:'''B-'''
+''Rating: A''
-'''Merman Hunter:''' These guys are your navy. They're ranged attack is usefull at harassing northeners when they are in water, and they fare well against the opponents nagas. Still, not an awful load of firepower and not massively tough. Oh and if you can level these guys, you get another slower!
+'''Elvish shaman:''' Their healing is invaluable against poison; their slow finds excellent targets in grunts, trolls and wolves. Low HP remains a problem though. <br>
-<br> Rating:'''C+'''
+''Rating: A''
-'''Shaman:''' Speaking of slow, how could we forget these girls? Weak and fragile, but they are incredibly useful at counterring poison, and a pair of these give your high defence units regeneration! What's more, they do of course, slow. Slow halves the opponents damage and movement speed. They can be used to slow units you can't slaughter, and prevent rogue grunts from killing wounded units. Still, recuit with caution- no more than three shamans for every twelve other units!
+'''Elvish Scout:''' This unit is usually quite crummy, and while its attacks remain rather weak, they serve some very important uses in this matchup. Their extreme mobility often allows them to attack from a fourth hex; this can make the difference between a dead orc and a live one. They are fast enough to grab mountains and deny it from your enemy. They are reasonably effective against enemy wolves, and will harrass most Northerner units with their bow. Still not as good a buy as your other units, but don’t dismiss him either. <br>
-<br> Rating:'''B+'''
+''Rating:'' B+
-And finally...
+'''Mage:''' The mage is invaluable for their ability to kill trolls and assassins; grunts and wolves also make great targets. It is often preferable to kill an assassin even if your mage gets poisoned: you can keep the poison from damaging them by placing a shaman next to them, and their ranged attacks will allow them to wound (and kill) even with 1HP. The downside to this unit is that’s very vulnerable—at night it needs to be carefully protected, or even just kept out of the way behind your lines. <br>
-'''Fighter:''' Your grunts. Do plenty of retaliation in melee and even retaliate in ranged combat! These guys kill assassins and can be used to attack grunts if slowed by a shaman (or wolves). They're also one of your tougher units and can be used to shield other units. They're also fairly quick. Your force should have plenty of these, but they are not your biggest attacker...
+'''Wose:''' Not the best buy for this matchup. Only recruit him if the enemy goes overboard with trolls—otherwise he is burned by orchish archers and cut down by grunts (and even wolves). His poor mobility and lawful alignment work against him: he’s too slow to press the attack at day, and likewise too slow to retreat at night. <br>
-<br> Rating:'''A-'''
+''Rating: C+''
-How can we not mention the...
+ '''Merman Hunter:''' Not a bad unit. His throwing spears will harass the enemy’s numerous melee units—sometimes this will even be enough to let one of your land units make the kill, particularly if your merman is the 4th hex attacker. He has two downsides: he fights terribly on land, and his attacks are quite weak. That’s why you should give XP to your landlubbers; it’s much more useful to have a Druid, Captain, Marksman, etc. over a unit that’s only good on water. Beware of assassins’ poison, and float the hunter next to a shaman if he does get poisoned. <br>
+''Rating: B''
 ==Rebels vs Rebels==