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Simons Mith: First draft on Etiquette. Now to ask for comments.

2010-10-12T14:36:42Z

First draft on Etiquette. Now to ask for comments.

Simons Mith: Ogres and Nagas

2010-10-12T14:27:04Z

Ogres and Nagas

Simons Mith: /* Factional Nobilities and Equivalents */ Orcs, Saurians

2010-10-12T14:09:20Z

‎Factional Nobilities and Equivalents: Orcs, Saurians

Simons Mith: Mages

2010-10-12T14:00:24Z

Mages

Simons Mith: Added Dwarves

2010-10-12T13:32:50Z

Added Dwarves

Simons Mith: /* Drakes */

2010-10-12T13:20:30Z

‎Drakes

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 A potted and condensed extract, probably mostly derived from Wikipedia, to follow.
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 I am also using the concept of 'ordinary politeness' and 'diplomatic politeness'; ordinary politeness is when you merely wish to avoid causing offence; diplomatic politeness is when you are actively trying to follow the correct protocols.
-When you address a noble of any kind, the usual practice is to call them by their full title once, when you first address them, then to revert to a simpler form, usually just 'Sir' or 'Ma'am' thereafter. You don't need to call a king 'Your Majesty' every time you talk to him.
+When you address a noble of any kind, the usual practice is to call them by their full title once, when you first address them, then to revert to a simpler form, usually just 'Sir' or 'Ma'am' thereafter. You don't need to call a king 'Your Majesty' every time you talk to him. Addressing a princess as 'Princess' is an egregious, tin-eared piece of George Lucas-level modern phrasing. It's not even correct in the real world. Search for 'Correct terms of address' if you have characters in your campaign for whom you need to get it right, and check the etiquette link(s) on Wikipedia. Any character born a noble will know this stuff, and will automatically get it right; to them, it's ingrained habit. Other characters might not, unless they're higher-level, better-educated, or have been briefed on what to do. But in formal encounters, such as meeting a (potential) enemy noble for the first time, characters will often at least try to be polite. Of course, Wesnoth etiquette is not going to be the same as Earth etiquette, and the Wikipedia articles are far more detailed than we actually need.
 Rough precedence order, a female equivalent ranks (draft)
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 Naga society seems to be almost completely undefined at present. I can easily generate some content to fill in, but I will leave it for the moment.

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 Rough precedence order, a female equivalent ranks (draft)
 * King & Queen
 * Duke & Duchess
 * Lord, Earl or Count & Countess (note: ''not'' 'Lady')
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 I suggest limiting the main Wesnoth noble ranks to King, Duke, Lord and Baron and leave use of other more obscure titles at the discretion of individual campaign authors.
 ===Elves===
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 ===Trolls===
-Trolls respect brute strength and age. Even where there is a pecking order among trolls it is unlikely to be readily apparent to non-trolls. If you want to be polite to a troll, 'Sir' is usually sufficient. If you need to be diplomatically polite, refer to the most senior or powerful troll as 'Great Leader'. Do not use noble titles; trolls don't have any equivelants.
+Trolls respect brute strength and age. Even where there is a pecking order among trolls it is unlikely to be readily apparent to non-trolls. If you want to be polite to a troll, 'Sir' is usually sufficient. If you need to be diplomatically polite, refer to the most senior or powerful troll as 'Great One' or 'Mighty One'. Trolls don't have any equivalents for noble titles.
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 More religiously led than most other races - Saurian Augurs and Oracles are often influential figures in their society. Saurians are expert astronomers and wisdom and intelligence are respected traits.

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 When you address a noble of any kind, the usual practice is to call them by their full title once, when you first address them, then to revert to a simpler form, usually just 'Sir' or 'Ma'am' thereafter. You don't need to call a king 'Your Majesty' every time you talk to him.
-King & Queen
+Rough precedence order, a female equivalent ranks (draft)
-Duke & Duchess
+* King & Queen
-Lord, Earl or Count & Countess (note: ''not'' 'Lady')
+* Duke & Duchess
-Marquis
+* Lord, Earl or Count & Countess (note: ''not'' 'Lady')
-Baron & Baroness
+* Marquis
-Baronet
+* Baron & Baroness
-Knight & Dame
+* Baronet
-Esquire
+* Knight & Dame
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 ===Orcs===
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 Dwarves may have a network of tunnels between mountain ranges; who (if anyone) has seniority in these cases (if they exist) is left open for now. It's likely to be subject to negotiation, and dealt with on a case-by-case basis.

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 This section attempts to define the various factional systems of nobility, or their closest equivalents. It covers who or what they respect and how they get their nobles in the first place.
-One general rule of precedence to note is that, particularly where you wish to treat visiting dignitaries diplomatically, you grant them the precedence of the most senior rank for which they theoretically qualify.
+One general rule of precedence to note is that, particularly where you wish to treat visiting dignitaries diplomatically, you grant them the precedence of the most senior rank for which they theoretically qualify, and then you apply the rule of 'guests always go first'. When dealing with a party you need to flatter, you would treat their highest rank (e.g. High Lord) as equivalent to your own highest rank; so an Elvish High Lord dealing with a human King would be treated on the same level, particularly if the forest the elf ruled was greater in extent than the human's kingdom.
 I am also using the concept of 'ordinary politeness' and 'diplomatic politeness'; ordinary politeness is when you merely wish to avoid causing offence; diplomatic politeness is when you are actively trying to follow the correct protocols.
 When you address a noble of any kind, the usual practice is to call them by their full title once, when you first address them, then to revert to a simpler form, usually just 'Sir' or 'Ma'am' thereafter. You don't need to call a king 'Your Majesty' every time you talk to him.
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 Lesser ranks would be given precedence roughly equal to that of a Baron (lower) or Marquis (higher).
-The Greenwood elves (Fate of a Princess) are an interesting variation on the standard elvish theme. Having spent many decades, perhaps centuries living next to the orcish city of Dorset/Dorest, they have had to be constantly on alert to deal with orcish attacks. Henec they have a very strong martial theme throughout their society. Most senior Greenwood elves have some sort of military ranking, working up from Corporal and Sergeant to Lieutenant, Captain, Major, Colonel, then Lord and High Lord, and all adult members of the forest are subject to conscription.
+The Greenwood elves (Fate of a Princess) are an interesting variation on the standard elvish theme. Having spent many decades, perhaps centuries living next to the orcish city of Dorset/Dorest, they have had to be constantly on alert to deal with orcish attacks. Hence they have a very strong martial theme throughout their entire society, and most senior Greenwood elves have some sort of military ranking, working up from Corporal and Sergeant to Lieutenant, Captain, Major, Colonel, then Lord and High Lord, and all adult members of the forest are subject to conscription.
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 ===Mages===
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 ===Dwarves===
-The Hammer of Thursagen is the major source for dwarvish lore and practices. Dwarvish Lords actually get lower precedence than other 'Lords' as its more of a martial rank, (like the human rank of Knight used to be, once upon a time), and the lesser-known Runemasters and Loremasters would actually come higher in the precedence list. A Dwarvish Lord is ranked about the same as a human baron. Runemasters and Loremasters are higher than Lords, lower than Witnesses, but are usually considered to be outside of standard precedence. (see Mages for further details.)
+The Hammer of Thursagen is the major source for dwarvish lore and practices. Dwarvish Lords actually get lower precedence than other 'Lords' as its more of a martial rank, (like the human rank of Knight used to be, once upon a time), and the lesser-known Runemasters and Loremasters would actually come higher in the precedence list. Because it is mainly a military achievement, an 'untitled' Dwarvish Lord is ranked relatively low; about the same as a human baron. Runemasters and Loremasters are higher than Lords, lower than Witnesses, but are usually considered to be outside of standard precedence. (seethe section on Mages for further details.)
-Fate of a Princess uses the concept of a Dwarvish Warden, who is a 'Lord of Lords', with an area of responsibility of an entire mountain range. His work includes fairly settling disputes between all inhabitants of the area under his control, dwarf and non-dwarf alike. A such individual dwarven settlements are expected to defer to him, although it may take considerable political skill on his part to fully exert his authority. Such individuals would be ranked equally to a human Duke, for a large mountain range, and a Count, for a smaller one.
+Fate of a Princess uses the concept of a Dwarvish Warden, who is a 'Lord of Lords', with an area of responsibility of an entire mountain range. His work includes fairly settling disputes between all inhabitants of the area under his control, dwarf and non-dwarf alike. As such, individual dwarven settlements would be expected to defer to him, although it may take considerable political skill on his part to fully exert his authority. Such individuals would be ranked equally to a human Duke, for a large mountain range, and a Count, for a smaller one. Warden may or may not actually be a formal title.
 Witnesses are above and outside the standard precedence, rather like human mages.

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	Drakes have a highly martial society. They are organised around mountain enclaves, within which the most senior or martially-skilled drake is known as a (Drake) Lord. The larger drake enclaves may have several Lords, one of whom will be first among equals and will carry some sort of badge of office unique to that particular enclave. This is often an enchanted flaming sword or something similar. Drakes appear to be comparatively short-lived, individually (20-30 years??), thus there is not much need for a complex structured aristocracy. A Drake Lord is called 'Honored Drake' or 'Most Honored Drake' initially, thereafter 'Sir'. In terms of precedence they are generally ranked about equal to a human Lord. When the most senior Drake Lord dies, the next-most senior takes over the position. For an enclave to lose all its Lords before it can replace them is a serious mishap, as some important drake lore is only known to these most senior individuals. All enclaves but the very smallest need at least one Lord in order to function smoothly.		Drakes have a highly martial society. They are organised around mountain enclaves, within which the most senior or martially-skilled drake is known as a (Drake) Lord. The larger drake enclaves may have several Lords, one of whom will be first among equals and will carry some sort of badge of office unique to that particular enclave. This is often an enchanted flaming sword or something similar. Drakes appear to be comparatively short-lived, individually (20-30 years??), thus there is not much need for a complex structured aristocracy. A Drake Lord is called 'Honored Drake' or 'Most Honored Drake' initially, thereafter 'Sir'. In terms of precedence they are generally ranked about equal to a human Lord. When the most senior Drake Lord dies, the next-most senior takes over the position. For an enclave to lose all its Lords before it can replace them is a serious mishap, as some important drake lore is only known to these most senior individuals. All enclaves but the very smallest need at least one Lord in order to function smoothly.
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		+	===Dwarves===
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		+	The Hammer of Thursagen is the major source for dwarvish lore and practices. Dwarvish Lords actually get lower precedence than other 'Lords' as its more of a martial rank, (like the human rank of Knight used to be, once upon a time), and the lesser-known Runemasters and Loremasters would actually come higher in the precedence list. A Dwarvish Lord is ranked about the same as a human baron. Runemasters and Loremasters are higher than Lords, lower than Witnesses, but are usually considered to be outside of standard precedence. (see Mages for further details.)
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		+	Fate of a Princess uses the concept of a Dwarvish Warden, who is a 'Lord of Lords', with an area of responsibility of an entire mountain range. His work includes fairly settling disputes between all inhabitants of the area under his control, dwarf and non-dwarf alike. A such individual dwarven settlements are expected to defer to him, although it may take considerable political skill on his part to fully exert his authority. Such individuals would be ranked equally to a human Duke, for a large mountain range, and a Count, for a smaller one.
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		+	Witnesses are above and outside the standard precedence, rather like human mages.

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−	Drakes have a highly martial society. They are organised around mountain enclaves, within which the most senior or martially-skilled drake is known as a (Drake) Lord. The larger drake ~~enclave~~ may have several Lords, one of whom will be first among equals and will carry some sort of badge of office unique to that particular enclave. This is often an enchanted flaming sword or something similar. Drakes appear to be comparatively short-lived, individually (20-30 years??), thus there is not much need for a complex structured aristocracy. A Drake Lord is called 'Honored Drake' or 'Most Honored Drake' initially, thereafter 'Sir'. In terms of precedence they are generally ranked about equal to a human Lord. When the most senior Drake Lord dies, the next-most senior takes over the position. For an enclave to lose all its Lords before it can replace them is a serious mishap, as some important drake lore is only known to these most senior individuals.	+	Drakes have a highly martial society. They are organised around mountain enclaves, within which the most senior or martially-skilled drake is known as a (Drake) Lord. The larger drake enclaves may have several Lords, one of whom will be first among equals and will carry some sort of badge of office unique to that particular enclave. This is often an enchanted flaming sword or something similar. Drakes appear to be comparatively short-lived, individually (20-30 years??), thus there is not much need for a complex structured aristocracy. A Drake Lord is called 'Honored Drake' or 'Most Honored Drake' initially, thereafter 'Sir'. In terms of precedence they are generally ranked about equal to a human Lord. When the most senior Drake Lord dies, the next-most senior takes over the position. For an enclave to lose all its Lords before it can replace them is a serious mishap, as some important drake lore is only known to these most senior individuals. All enclaves but the very smallest need at least one Lord in order to function smoothly.